the results of the game

By billn on December 13, 2006 #degustation

My ScoreGroup ScoreThe Wine
Wine 219.2518.02004 Fourrier, Griotte-Chambertin
Wine 1119.019.01999 Hudelot-Noellat, Romanée Saint-Vivant
Wine 819.018.32002 Hudelot-Noellat, Vosne 1er Les Suchots
Wine 1419.017.72004 Fourrier, Gevrey 1er, Clos St.Jacques
Wine 718.7518.12004 Geantet-Pansiot, Charmes-Chambertin
Wine 1518.518.62003 Guyon, Echézeaux
Wine 1318.2517.82004 Haegelen-Jayer, Clos de Vougeot
Wine 518.017.92001 Armand Rousseau, Chambertin
Wine 918.017.72002 Tollot-Beaut, Corton-Bressandes
Wine 618.017.52002 Guyon, Vosne-Romanée Charmes de Mazières
Wine 1018.017.42004 Bachelet, Gevrey 1er Les Corbeaux
Wine 117.517.52003 Cornu, Corton
Wine 417.017.71999 Gros Frère et Soeur, Richebourg
Wine 1217.017.42004 Ponsot, Chapelle-Chambertin
Wine 316.016.62001 Comte de Vogüé, Musigny Vieilles Vignes

Probably a few discussion points there! Anyway I ordered some Suchots so now have all the top 4 in my cellar…

the game part 5 of 5

By billn on December 13, 2006 #degustation

We are now in the ‘home straight’ and things should be becoming clearer(?) For those that missed it, here’s part 1, part 2, part 3 and part 4.

Wine 13
Medium, medium-plus cherry-red colour. High tones overlay a nose of considerable depth – earthy and cedar aspects and a slightly ‘lifted’ impression – but throughout our time together the nose remains completely understated. This wine bursts with excitement; it’s intense and the forward acidity makes it difficult to hold the wine in your mouth. The tannin is very well covered and the finish only slowly fades. It’s not as long as the best here but it’s not too far behind. This is an excellent bottle.
My mark: 18.25/20, group average 17.8/20

Wine 14
Medium, medium-plus cherry-red colour. The nose starts wide and creamy – I though a little lactic too but this was transient – quickly taking on a forward cream coverd red cherry aspect and eventually coffee notes too. Understated, concentrated and tons of mid-palate dimension – many of these wines are one-dimensional in comparision. The fruit is so well done that it completely buries any necessity to discuss acidity or tannin. The creamy finish is understated but very long. Really top-class wine.
My mark: 19.0/20, group average 17.7/20

Wine 15
Medium-plus cherry-red colour. The wide nose showcases well delineated soft red fruit and a little coffee too. High-toned fruit in the mouth that is both concentrated and bursts into life on the mid-palate. There is some astringency to the tannin but the combined sweetness of the fruit and the considerable spicy oak means that it’s not overpowering in the finish which also shows plenty of cream and just a touch of espresso. In quality terms this wine is quite close to the previous wine, just a little shorter and less precise – mainly due to the layer of sweet oak which I don’t find ‘additive’.
My mark: 18.5/20, group average 18.6/20

I’ll let you consider until tomorrow’s results which might be which, but in the meantime here is my summary of the scores:

My ScoreGroup Score
Wine 219.2518.0
Wine 1119.019.0
Wine 819.018.3
Wine 1419.017.7
Wine 718.7518.1
Wine 1518.518.6
Wine 1318.2517.8
Wine 518.017.9
Wine 918.017.7
Wine 618.017.5
Wine 1018.017.4
Wine 117.517.5
Wine 417.017.7
Wine 1217.017.4
Wine 316.016.6

the game part 4 of 5

By billn on December 12, 2006 #degustation

the game
For those that missed it, here’s part 1, part 2 and part 3.

Now I’m starting to get confused because previous wines that I thought were ‘xxx’ cannot be, because surely some of these are those…

Wine 10
Medium, medium-plus cherry-red colour. An understated and tight nose slowly becomes creamy with glossy fruit. The cream of the nose is paralleled on the palate with impressive density to the precise creamy fruit that has a licorice edge. Mouth-watering acidity and understated smooth tannins that just cling a little to your gums. There is just a faint edge of bitterness in the finish which I can’t quite decide whether it comes from the grape or oak tannin, but it’s a good length. Very young – certainly a 2004 – but a very nice package.
My mark: 18.0/20, group average 17.4/20

Wine 11
Medium ruby-red colour with a hint of amber at the rim. A very deep, wide, earthy and impressive nose. Mouthfilling, still with plenty of drying tannin. Given the nose and structure this slips disappointingly unobtrusively into the finish – but it’s one very long, if slightly oaky finish! In the end the astringent (though ripe) tannins dominate the mid-palate and finish a little too much for current enjoyment. Taking stock there’s a modicum of maturity on the nose and surely a great grand cru nose at that. If the nose hints at maturity the palate is way too young; it’s concentrated and long but the structure is dominant today. When the palate catches up I think this will be a stunning bottle.
My mark: 19.0/20, group average 19.0/20

Wine 12
Medium, medium-plus cherry red. The high-toned nose also starts with a little reduction and earth – it never really becomes fully fruit driven. The stance of this wine is althletic and ‘wiry’ with plenty of intrinsic muscle. The texture is good and the acidity helps to push the finish reasonably long – though in this company it’s (at best) average – with a little raisined aspect and some underlying oak being the dying notes.
My mark: 17.0/20, group average 17.4/20

the game part 3 of 5

By billn on December 11, 2006 #degustation

For those that missed it, here’s part 1 and part 2.

It’s not getting any easier…

Wine 7
Medium-plus cherry red colour. A high toned and wide nose that mixes red and blue-skinned fruits. A wonderfully effusive wine with excellent acidity and super depth. There’s a real extra dimension of fruit on the mid-palate before going into a discrete but long finish. The tannins are completely buried by the fruit. A few of the previous wines are longer but this wine is a compelling ‘complete package’. I started with a score of 18.5 but given that I thought it better than some later 18.5’s I added a quarter.
My mark: 18.75/20, group average 18.1/20

Wine 8
Medium ruby-red colour. The nose starts quite high-toned and a little creamy before going through a mineral and earthy stage with flashes of red fruit then bonfire – you need a little patience, but there is just so much dimension to be found – bravo. The entry and mid-palate start a little disappointing after the previous wine but minute by minute the palate opens wider and wider. The finish is very good and whilst the tannins are a little grainy but they are ripe and grab the mouth and help cement the flavours of the finish. Slow to blossom, but excellent and pips the previous wine.
My mark: 19.0/20, group average 18.3/20

Wine 9
Medium, medium-plus ruby-red colour. A wine and mineral nose that slowly releases dark cherry fruit, gradually becoming higher toned before giving glimpses of coffee notes. The palate is clean, muscular and intense with really good, fresh acidity. The length doesn’t come close to match some of the previous wines, but it’s a very good finish if just a little oak-driven. A very nice package that needs two or three years before it starts drinking well.
My mark: 18.0/20, group average 17.7/20

the game part 2 of 5

By billn on December 10, 2006 #degustation

fourrier griotteFor those who missed it, here’s part 1. I’ll avoid commenting too much on other people’s guesses – simply because it’s unlikely I can do so without giving clues. Anyway, here are the next three contenders:

Wine 4
Medium-plus ruby-red colour, still with hints of cherry. Shiny red fruit on the nose with a black undertow and a little earth, eventually a little orange too. Sweet and concentrated with real mid-palate intensity. Soft entry, well covered tannin with a slowly fading good length that maybe even has a hint of licorice. Rather like wine #3 this displays apparently less ripe tannin when compared to others in its flight.
My mark: 17.0/20, group average 17.7/20

Wine 5
Medium, medium-plus ruby-red. Quite an intense minerally nose that becomes higher toned and I thought just a little lactic but this a short phase before a nice creamier presentation. On the palate there’s a dark aspect to the fruit, good acidity and a nicely expanding and intense presentation in the mid-palate. This is very long with a good creamy fruit flavour. Very nice and accomplished wine – second-best so-far.
My mark: 18.0/20, group average 17.9/20

Wine 6
Medium-plus ruby colour. A very high-toned and forward nose that slowly goes deeper and spicier. Fresh presentation, very nice texture, very good acidity and darker oak-driven notes. The oak is also on the finish, but darkly spicy rather than bitter. The tannins are quite well textured, just a little grain but they are very ripe.
My mark: 18.0/20, group average 17.5/20

the game part 1

By billn on December 09, 2006 #degustation

game part 1
Just to jog your memory, the following wines make up our tasting you only have to guess which ones!

  1. 2004 Denis Bachelet, Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Les Corbeaux
  2. 2004 Ponsot, Chapelle-Chambertin
  3. 2004 Haegelen-Jayer, Clos de Vougeot
  4. 2004 Fourrier, Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Clos St.Jacques
  5. 2004 Fourrier, Griottes-Chambertin
  6. 2004 Geantet-Pansiot, Charmes-Chambertin
  7. 2003 Cornu, Corton
  8. 2003 Guyon, Echézeax
  9. 2002 Tollot-Beaut, Corton Bressandes
  10. 2002 Guyon, Vosne-Romanée Les Charmes de Mazières
  11. 2002 Hudelot-Noellat, Vosne-Romanée 1er Les Suchots
  12. 2001 Armand Rousseau, Chambertin
  13. 2001 de Vogüé, Musigny Vieilles Vignes
  14. 1999 Gros Frère & Soeur, Richebourg
  15. 1999 Hudelot-Noellat, Romanée Saint-Vivant

Arranged in blind flights of three. A leisurely 20 minutes or-so was given to each flight. I went from wine to wine to contrast the aromatics before tasting – given that the first was obviously a 2003 I initially chose to taste it last given the expected extra ripeness. Then went backwards and forwards between the wines. We were requested to mark the wines out of 20, quarter-points allowed.
PS There’s no clue intended from the picture above

Wine 1
Medium, medium-plus cherry-red colour. A soft and dusty fruit nose, red fruit, some cream and relatively modest toasty/spicy oak – eventually coffee/mocha overtones. On the palate the ripe fruit is a little oak-marked, and that oak is slightly bitter and for a while dominates the quite long finish. Slowly some creamy fruit comes through, eventually aeration provides a nice balance.
My mark: 17.5/20, group average 17.5/20

Wine 2
Medium, medium-plus cherry red colour. Initially the nose is very tight with faint estery notes, slowly going deeper and a little spicy – eventually this becomes plusher, more red and with quite creamy sweet oak. The fruit is quite high-toned in the mouth, with well-covered tannin. There’s a fantastic length on display – even longer than wine #3 – there’s also quite a lot of oak on display but it’s not in the slightest ‘untasty’ and quite creamy. I came straight in with a 19/20 for this but given a close grouping of high scores later on I edged this up a quarter!
My mark: 19.25/20, group average 18.0/20

Wine 3
Medium, medium-plus cherry-red colour but just starting to transition to ruby. Initially it’s a narrow and high-toned nose that hints at a red fruit depth, eventually some pretty red fruit comes through. Good concentration, the tannin seems to have some grain at the first encounter but they seem to smooth out with the very good acidity. This wine is long, very long. I had a reasonably good score coming through – perhaps 18+ – but if you taste this after wine #1 it seems quite unripe and the tannin becomes very astringent. Eventually I marked it below wine 1…
My mark: 16.0/20, group average 16.6/20

a game for the next few days

By billn on December 08, 2006 #degustation

I had a very ‘illuminating’ experience yesterday; 15 wines, many were grand crus and served in flights of three – but served blind – their identities were only revealed at the end, though we had the list upfront.

  • 2004 Denis Bachelet, Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Les Corbeaux
  • 2004 Ponsot, Chapelle-Chambertin
  • 2004 Haegelen-Jayer, Clos de Vougeot
  • 2004 Fourrier, Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Clos St.Jacques
  • 2004 Fourrier, Griottes-Chambertin
  • 2004 Geantet-Pansiot, Charmes-Chambertin
  • 2003 Cornu, Corton
  • 2003 Guyon, Echézeax
  • 2002 Tollot-Beaut, Corton Bressandes
  • 2002 Guyon, Vosne-Romanée Les Charmes de Mazières
  • 2002 Hudelot-Noellat, Vosne-Romanée 1er Les Suchots
  • 2001 Armand Rousseau, Chambertin
  • 2001 de Vogüé, Musigny Vieilles Vignes
  • 1999 Gros Frère & Soeur, Richebourg
  • 1999 Hudelot-Noellat, Romanée Saint-Vivant

I also made a guess as to the identity of the wines and ended up with 5 from 15, but had 0 from the first 8! It wasn’t an improvement by process of elimination either as no identity was revealed until the end. So over the next 5 days I will give you 3 wines per day, and you can guess from my note and score what it might be – then the shocks will be revealed!

d’angerville 1er taillepieds 2002

By billn on December 08, 2006 #asides

angerville taillepieds2002 Marquis d’Angerville, Volnay 1er Taillepiedstry to find this wine...
(From magnum) Medium, medium-plus cherry red. The nose starts in a very mineral way with hints of cedar eventually giving way to red berries and a slow build-up of coffee. The concentrated palate bursts with explosive red fruits and plenty of grainy tannin – but there’s no hint of astringency – the acidity pulling you into a long finish that has a rather darker fruit complexion. Very accomplished and very tasty.
Rebuy – yes

de vogüé 97 chambolle 1er

By billn on December 06, 2006 #asides

de vogue chambolle 1er
I shouldn’t really be drinking this wine.

Although it’s produced from young vines (less than 25 years-old), those vines are located in Musigny, so 9 years is far to little time to allow for optimum development. I’ve previously drunk this wine 3 times; first time not so great, second time a super and fresh bottle (direct from the domaine) and then another disappointing bottle a little after. Both ‘not very impressive’ bottles came from the same merchant – as did this third bottle. Another note I saw this week was also negative – so I decided to pop the cork – it will either be a disappointment (as weight of evidence suggests) or a pleasant surprise. It turned out to be somewhere in between…
1997 Comte Georges de Vogüé, Chambolle-Musigny 1ertry to find this wine...
Medium-plus ruby-red colour – right to the rim. The nose starts dense, very tight and quite deep. Time reduces the depth and gives this a wider and redder complexion, though more patience – about 2 hours from opening – and it’s has a coffee aspect coming through and certainly a finer aspect. The palate is also rather dense, quite fat and very well textured, it’s also very, very long, but that length is heavily oak-driven, slightly bitter and not so nice. Two hours in the glass does nothing to improve the finish, nor impart some complexity. My summary (so far) is drunk too young and currently showing too much oak on the finish. I will leave the other half of the bottle for tomorrow to see if it’s nicer then.

So far, much more like my previous (merchant purchased) bottles that the domaine-direct version.

Day 2 and thankfully the bitterness of the finish is almost a memory. The wine has held together very well – still very dense and primary – the only negative with the wait is a bit of a beefy, herbal whiff, though the last drops smell terrific. So, definitely too young and a long, long way from drinking. From a stylistic perspective I still don’t think I would rebuy…
Rebuy – No

The discussion of this wine that precipitated the opening of this bottle can be found here.

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