Comments on: Profile: Domaine des Croix (Beaune) http://www.burgundy-report.com the people, the place and their wines... Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:28:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: richard jacobs http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-20995 richard jacobs Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:47:06 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-20995 Hi Bill - thought I'd just add that I've been enjoying the Bourgogne very much - very Beaune! It was my favourite of my 4 or 5 05 Bourgognes till the other day when I cracked open the case of Lafarge. Crikey! Got 2 more cases the next day - still needs some time but already like a seriously good Volnay villages. Best Richard Hi Bill – thought I’d just add that I’ve been enjoying the Bourgogne very much – very Beaune! It was my favourite of my 4 or 5 05 Bourgognes till the other day when I cracked open the case of Lafarge. Crikey! Got 2 more cases the next day – still needs some time but already like a seriously good Volnay villages.

Best

Richard

]]> By: bill nanson http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-19450 bill nanson Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:45:28 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-19450 Hi Richard, I believe this was for all the cuvées. This is always an issue with tasting from barrel - I think that many tasters do not sufficiently emphasise the possibility - that's why in my NoteFinder page I only include bottled wines. I reserve judgement on the later bottling until I taste - certainly David waited longer than his wish. Interestingly on the BurgHound scores (from memory) Allen rated the Camille Giroud Bourgogne higher than that of the des Croix - I had far and away a different view - but then my tastings of those two were also quite some weeks apart. I agree on Lignier-Michelot - I only really bought my first bottles from this producer with the 05's - but those I've drunk to-date have been excellent value and quality. I didn't yet try different vintages to get a measure of his 'average' level or any of his grand crus, I also didn't see the price appreciation - but perhaps that's because they are all sold in my neck of the woods... Cheers Hi Richard,
I believe this was for all the cuvées. This is always an issue with tasting from barrel – I think that many tasters do not sufficiently emphasise the possibility – that’s why in my NoteFinder page I only include bottled wines. I reserve judgement on the later bottling until I taste – certainly David waited longer than his wish. Interestingly on the BurgHound scores (from memory) Allen rated the Camille Giroud Bourgogne higher than that of the des Croix – I had far and away a different view – but then my tastings of those two were also quite some weeks apart.

I agree on Lignier-Michelot – I only really bought my first bottles from this producer with the 05′s – but those I’ve drunk to-date have been excellent value and quality. I didn’t yet try different vintages to get a measure of his ‘average’ level or any of his grand crus, I also didn’t see the price appreciation – but perhaps that’s because they are all sold in my neck of the woods…
Cheers

]]> By: richard jacobs http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-19449 richard jacobs Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:33:03 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-19449 Thanks again, Bill. I think the Bourgogne was about £96IB. Bit concerned about the delayed bottling issue - was this with the Beaune 1ers too or just the Bourgogne and does it mean a question-mark over the wines in terms of the qualities you noted in cask? I expect you've seen Allen Meadows's endorsements - 90-92 for Greves and Bressandes, 89-91 for Cent Vignes and of course he's a stingy marker! Looks like you've discovered that rarity of rarities - a genuinely well-priced top quality domaine - perhaps like Lignier Michelot in Morey (which I've followed since 02). His top 1er Faconnieres was same price as Greves (£210IB) in 05 en primeur (then it moved rapidly skywards!). Best and thanks - Richard Thanks again, Bill. I think the Bourgogne was about £96IB. Bit concerned about the delayed bottling issue – was this with the Beaune 1ers too or just the Bourgogne and does it mean a question-mark over the wines in terms of the qualities you noted in cask?

I expect you’ve seen Allen Meadows’s endorsements – 90-92 for Greves and Bressandes, 89-91 for Cent Vignes and of course he’s a stingy marker! Looks like you’ve discovered that rarity of rarities – a genuinely well-priced top quality domaine – perhaps like Lignier Michelot in Morey (which I’ve followed since 02). His top 1er Faconnieres was same price as Greves (£210IB) in 05 en primeur (then it moved rapidly skywards!).

Best and thanks -

Richard

]]> By: bill nanson http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-19439 bill nanson Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:40:36 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-19439 Hi Richard, I'd have no problem taking any of these - the Grèves and the Bourgogne were the relative standouts (from memory) but at the prices you quote, all seem very reasonable versus some of the 05 hype... Out of interest, how much for the Bourgogne? Cheers Hi Richard,
I’d have no problem taking any of these – the Grèves and the Bourgogne were the relative standouts (from memory) but at the prices you quote, all seem very reasonable versus some of the 05 hype…
Out of interest, how much for the Bourgogne?
Cheers

]]> By: richard jacobs http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-19438 richard jacobs Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:13:42 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-19438 Thanks Bill. Berrys still have some Greves (which I bought) at £210 IB, Bressandes at £192 and Cent Vignes at £162 (the Bourgogne has gone). Do these prices relative to each other match your sense of the quality differences or would you recommend one or more of them as particularly good value at its price point? Many thanks - Richard Thanks Bill. Berrys still have some Greves (which I bought) at £210 IB, Bressandes at £192 and Cent Vignes at £162 (the Bourgogne has gone). Do these prices relative to each other match your sense of the quality differences or would you recommend one or more of them as particularly good value at its price point?

Many thanks -

Richard

]]> By: bill nanson http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-19436 bill nanson Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:16:20 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-19436 Hi Richard, I also look forward to testing some of the reasonably large quantities of bourgogne I bought. I know that due to the construction work David Croix had to delay the bottling of his 05's and felt that he had lost a little of the freshness because of that - I expect this might be evident in early-opened bottles but much less likely in stored bottles. Will probably collect my purchases before the end of November Cheers, Bill Hi Richard,
I also look forward to testing some of the reasonably large quantities of bourgogne I bought. I know that due to the construction work David Croix had to delay the bottling of his 05′s and felt that he had lost a little of the freshness because of that – I expect this might be evident in early-opened bottles but much less likely in stored bottles.

Will probably collect my purchases before the end of November
Cheers, Bill

]]> By: richard jacobs http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-19435 richard jacobs Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:04:32 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-19435 Thanks Bill - I should have thanked you months ago as I got on to Berry Bros as soon as I read the above and secured cases of the Bourgogne and the Greves (at very modest prices). Looking forward to them. Best - Richard Thanks Bill – I should have thanked you months ago as I got on to Berry Bros as soon as I read the above and secured cases of the Bourgogne and the Greves (at very modest prices). Looking forward to them.

Best -

Richard

]]> By: bill nanson http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-6992 bill nanson Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:59:29 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-6992 Le Serbet should be distributing in the US, and Berry Bros & Rudd for the UK Cheers, Bill Le Serbet should be distributing in the US, and Berry Bros & Rudd for the UK
Cheers, Bill

]]> By: Brooklynguy http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-5726 Brooklynguy Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:35:21 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-5726 Since you're asking, how about the US too? thanks! Since you’re asking, how about the US too? thanks!

]]> By: bill nanson http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-5339 bill nanson Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:15:48 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-5339 Hi Richard, I've asked if I'm allowed to disclose! Waiting for the reply! Hi Richard,
I’ve asked if I’m allowed to disclose!
Waiting for the reply!

]]> By: Richard Brooks http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2007/profile-domaine-des-croix-beaune/comment-page-1/#comment-5253 Richard Brooks Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:55:54 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465#comment-5253 Sounds great. Any idea where they will be available in the UK? Sounds great. Any idea where they will be available in the UK?

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