Am loving Ramonet's 2009 BR at the moment...
OK: What about bourgognes?
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Rick Dalia
MemberOK, I'm finally convinced so-called drinking windows purported by wine critics are a bunch of bull, and vintage ratings for that matter too!
'96 Arlaud "Bourgogne" Roncevie - seems this has been a well-stored bottle, absolutely wonderful mature nose and mouthfeel with a villages-like presence on the palate and finish, w/o any hint of "over-the hillness." I'm all-in on this wine, and this producer.
From the same purchase, I've got Anne Gros' '96 Bourgogne on tap for next week.
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Anonymous
UnregisteredGreetings, new joiner here!
I too find Bourgognes to give a lot of pleasure when made by a good producer. A few which I have recently tried are:
'08 Grivot Bourgogne Rouge - not ready
'08 JP Fichet Bourgogne Blanc VV - enjoyable. Good minerality
'00 Maison Leroy Bourgogne Rouge - the bottle was either stored in poor conditions or it's already too old
'07 Maison Leroy Bourgogne Rouge - very elegantThe Grivot comes from a plot right outside of Vosne Romanee, I believe. Fichet's was from two vineyards just south of Meursault. I can't find any information on the Leroys though. By any chance someone would know where the Leroy Bourgognes come from?
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Goughie13
MemberTwo nice Bourgogne's this weekend to get me 'back into the swing' having given up alcohol for Lent (for the first time - felt no different whatsoever, apart from getting very 'thirsty' !).
Pierre Morey's 2006 Bourgogne Chardonnay - this was a bit of a gem two nights ago. Didn't write a formal note but it had lots going on with maybe the best summary being that it gave very, very little away indeed (initially) to PYCM's also 2006 Chassagne-Montrachet 1er cru 'Les Caillerets'. The latter ultimately was a very classy superior drink (well, it should be !) but was undoubtedly too cold initially making the full on PM BC seem all the more impressive. Was the first (the Morey) of 10 acquired cheaply in a sale - happy days !
Domaine Mugneret-Gibourg 1996 Bourgogne Rouge. Posted on this before. As Mrs G had polished off most of the Domaine du Cayron 2000 Gigongdas I was planning to drink with rabbit pie then the M-G BR was 'pressed into action'. Atypically 1996 ? Lovely medium crimson colour, nose is trying to 'give' but other than hints of griotte my hooter ain't playing. The palate is all action up front acidity, almost greenish unripe fruit as is (not too unpleasant just very sappy sharp),drying tannins (or lack of fruit ?), mouthwatering but drying again finish. All about the upfront wack of what it maybe had at its apogee - perhaps fading a bit sustained by the acid ? For a 16 yr old auction purchase, i.e cheap, BR then what's not to like ? Using Bill's Diary tasting note methodology as a 'Rebuy - Maybe' (at a price !).
Hovering 'in the wings' for next weekend :- Sylvain Pataille's 2008 Bourgogne PTG and maybe Patrick Bize's 1996 Savigny 1er cru 'Les Vergelesses' rouge.
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Lliwiau Llachar
MemberOpened a bottle of the Denis Mortet Bourgogne Rouge 2008 tonight to have with some lamb chops. Earthy/Mushroomy note to start with then giving way to florals and fruits of raspberry, cherry and rhubarb. Soft and succulent red fruits on the palate. Lots of richness but in no way overextracted. Fresh mouthwatering acidity throughout with very ripe tannins but with some bite. Slight chalky minerality on the finish; very long length. Looking forward to working my way through the rest of the case; an excellent wine.
Goughie/Mark: Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the Sylvain Pataille 2008 Bourgogne PTG in due course
Mark
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wildbillnv
MemberHad a chance to try the Alex Gambal 2007 Prestige Bourgogne Blanc. I was pleasantly impressed, with the core of green apple, oak, and enough acid to give the wine lift. I noticed a significant amount of new or reconditioned barreling. As I tried to explain to Jessie the need to let new barrels swell with wine so they shouldn't leak, Faye reminded me of the mess the Pinot Noir made in the old house. Kingsley never appreciated the need to escape Johnson's grass allergies. And so it goes.
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Goughie13
MemberQuote:- "Goughie/Mark:- Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the Sylvain Pataille 2008 Bourgogne PTG in due course"
Mark (LL), sorry, missed your initial comments. Got the end of my 3rd bouteille of said Syvlain 2008 PTG in front of me. Opened last night and leftovers fridged. This is a challenge and seems to be a bit of bottle variation. No 2 bottle was very classy. This one has a pale rim but a glorious deep crimson looking, come hither, core. The nose aromas are hard to pick/describe but last night I defo got dried dates & fruit cake. Hints of leaf (& tobacco ?) as well, still evident. On the palate very ice cool, up front strawberryish, red fruited, over a ferrous tasting mineral core, chewy, some slight mouth puckering tannins, a tad austere, bit of fruit comes back on the still chewy finish. Pretty complex really. Initially it almost fools one to be simply an upfront gluggy fruity drink but it has a lot more to come/give beyond this. Am struggling to put it altogether descriptively but its actually quite impressive, tight & seems verty well made. Maybe an atypical 2008 ? I bought 6 but am now wishing had more.
Rick D - love your Arlaud Roncevie comments & yes, its effectively Gevrey Village in location - I know, I've grafted in those vines. Got to declare an 'interest' as a 3 yr Arlaud employee but crying shame the old vines vineyard (and they were old - up to 80 yrs) was badly frosted winter 2009/10. The family have been replanting last month.
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A ripper of a bourgogne on sunday - Camille-Giroud's 2003 BPN. I had a couple of duds in the last 6 months, but this was super - note in the diary. I expect their recent 'Cuvée L' bottlings may be even better...
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winefactor143
MemberThe name also comes from the Burgundians and an ancient Germanic people who settled in the different area during the early Middle Ages. The main region of Burgundy is also both larger than the more old Duchy of Burgundy and also smaller than the area ruled by the Dukes of Burgundy, from the modern Netherlands to the border of Auvergne that time.
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MarkCJohnson
MemberTwo bourgognes consumed during my brief stay in San Francisco last week.
2004 Denis Mortet Cuvee Noble Souche- This wine punched way above its regional status with a depth and richness not usually found in bourgognes. Although it exhibited a touch of the vintage's trademark it was more of a savory note than a fault. Delicious.
2002 J. Roty Bourgogne Les Pressoniers- lighter than the Mortet this nevertheless was a nice bourgogne but just that.
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Lliwiau Llachar
MemberCold platter tonight of cured meats, cheese, olives, bread and oil to share with a bottle of Fougeray de Beauclair Bourgogne Rouge 2010.
Vibrant cherry red colour on initial opening. Slight smoky /vegetal note on the nose giving way to red fruit aromas of cherry and raspberry. Light red fruits on the palate which combine nicely with the fresh mouth watering acidity. Very savoury texture; chewy tannins. Fabulous length.
The wine really opens up after an hour or so putting on some flesh in the mid palate, working nicely with some hard cheddar. Still very sharp flavour on the finish; almost like 'Ribena with no sugar'. Much more serious in style than I was expecting; will certainly pick up a few more bottles of this. Interesting to see how this wine would develop after a few years.
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Rick Dalia
Member'09 Robert Arnoux Pinot Fin - what a great "bourgogne," with the weight, density (are those different descriptors of the same thing??), and complexity I'd expect from a village. When first opened, some weird chemical aromas escaped the glass, with sort of a bitter unforgiving palate. As time wore on, it opened nicely, taking on a lovely character. Actually, on day 2 it was even more integrated and tasty. I think some years will do this wine well. I wish I'd bought more during the brief sale price.
I have to admit, I've started finding some really nice '09's, and maybe pooh-pooh'd the vintage with too broad a brush. My goal is for these 09's to drink mid-term while waiting for '05, '08, and '10.
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Lliwiau Llachar
MemberWas up in the North of England recently and visited a wineshop in Alderley Edge. They have a couple of enomatic machines in store and one of the reds on tasting was a Bourgogne Rouge 2010 from Domaine Philippe Livera. Had a quick taste, liked what I tasted and bought a bottle to try; cost was £14.00
Opened the bottle tonight and was very impressed. Bright cherry red colour. Prominent earthy/mushroomy aroma as well as raspberry and cherry fruits. Fresh acidity, rich red fruit mid palate (which puts on more weight after being opened an hour) with very easy going tannins. Not particularly complex but very enjoyable indeed.
Anyone tried any wines from this producer before? I believe that they are based in Gevrey Chambertin.
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Rick Dalia
MemberHi Lliwiau, I've had a few of Livera's. The label is Domaine des Tilleus (?sp) and I think in Coates' book you can find his impressions under that domaine name. I've had several bottles of the '95 Chapelle-Chambertin, all were quite good, and a couple of his village Gevreys, I think some old vines. The wines to me come across with good density and grip, without overt oak, well-made. The imported bottles here in California are unfined/unfiltered, which I think really helps. The grand cru was not in the upper tier of complexity, but the prices are right and well worth the money. I was less impressed with the village bottles, but I've only had 2, small sample size. One was a '93 and other '96, if I recall.
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Tasted a few from Livera here:
http://www.burgundy-report.com/autumn-2011/syndicat-de-gevrey-chambertin-tasting-vintage-2010/
Early showing (for sure), but I thought they had good potential...Posted 10 months ago # -
emile
MemberDomaine Hubert Lignier Bourgogne 2006....
Earthy, forest floor combined with stewed, black-red fruit.
Not particularly refined, concentrated, or long.
There is some richness and savory character coming through, but the wine is seemingly awkward, with no elegance, or finesse, and without exceptional refreshment.
Expensive Bourgogne, too.
Rousseau CSJ 2006 is virtually the only 2006 I have truly enjoyed.
I have not been a fan of 2006 thus far and will be pleasantly surprised if an when the wines achieve balance and harmony.Posted 10 months ago # -
Goughie13
MemberDomaine Arlaud 2009 Bourgogne 'Roncevie' - very enjoyable over two days (fridged o'night for day 2). Very juicy sappy, very dense, more blueblack than ref fruited, decent structure, chewy, long. 'Batting' above its BR level but maybe no surprise as I've seen comment several times sighting of the vines should really see this as a Gevrey village and only as type this do I think that's more how this enjoyable & impressive wine seemed. Bit young for me but felt I could indulge as I've a few of these here at home with another case in storage. These 2009's are just so approachable young aren't they ?
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MarkCJohnson
MemberEnjoyed a 2010 Dubreuil-Fontaine Bourgogne La Chapelle Notre Dame last night. Very fresh, light and lively on the palate yet juicy with strawberry/cherry flavors, crisp acidity and just a joy to drink. 20 bucs here in Hawaii. Had the bourgogne blanc recently also and that was no slouch either.
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emile
MemberPierre Morey Bourgogne Rouge 2005 was charming last eve. Not particularly refined or complex, but the secondary development certainly made the wine more interesting than it was in youth when it was very one dimensional. More savory characteristics complimented venison well. The power and concentration of 2005 was so apparent. The wine could have easily been aged another 3-5 years.
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emile
MemberGeorges Mugneret Bourgogne 2009: ripe, roasted character and very concentrated and long. I may be ambitious, but I would imagine this Bourgogne needs the rest of the decade to flesh out and achieve harmony. Serious Bourgogne.
Digioia Royer Bourgogne 2009 is much more approachable now, although this Bourgogne still has the potential for 5-7 more years of enjoyment.
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Rick Dalia
MemberArlaud's 2010 roncevie is batting easily with the boys at the village level. I would go so far as to say it is perfectly balanced with a weight and texture that could hardly be improved upon. I am in love with this wine! The 2009, while still very good, just doesn't have the verve and depth as the 2010. The 2008 needs more time and seems muted to my palate.
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Barthod's 2005 is sitting in front of me, and it is pretty much villages level in 8/10 years. Exceptional...
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Lliwiau Llachar
MemberDomaine de la Cadette Cuvee l'Ermitage Bourgogne Rouge 2010 (80% Pinot Noir, 20% Cesar) the other evening. For those who don't know Cadette is an 13.5ha organic estate situated in Vezelay.
Very light cherry red colour. Aromas of mushroom, flowers and red fruit greet you on opening. Rich, slightly oily and lots of viscosity in the mouth. Silky red fruits, lots of acid but well balanced really juicy and refreshing. Savoury/bitter note on the finish; Cesar element perhaps? Lots of length; this wine is bursting with flavour and energy. Will certainly be buying more.
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Yesterday we drank (one of) the best Bourgogne Rouge we had ever tasted and it was 2010 JanotsBos. Bright shiny red color, ripe red fruit (strawberries) in the nose, defined, concentrated and powerfull on the palet but also very refreshing. The others believed at the blind first glass it was a village wine. Luckely we do have some more and next month we gonna visit again, so...
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Goughie13
MemberHad Chanterives 2010 B Blanc twice in last week. Lovely drink from a super nice hardworking conscientious couple. Not many nicer people for me than Tomoko and Guillaume. Very tasty blanc. So nice maybe hard to think about keeping :-) . Salut T & G.
Rick, thx for the note on the Roncevie from le premier equipe de Morey ;-) . My second vendange with Arlaud that year. Very much a superior BR location and with added vendangeur sweat etc for added piquancy :-)
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Michael Warner
MemberI visited Tomoko and Guillaume at their new cuverie last week. Their 2011 and 2012 Bourgogne Blancs seem just as brilliant as the 2010 version. And agree - they are just lovely people.
On the wider Bourgogne theme - really enjoyed Tortochot's 2011 - a big step up from the 2010 which was tainted by some pretty heavy reduction. Gachot-Monot was quite good as well. I was slightly disappointed by Francois Gay's Bourgogne rouge - but given his Chorey is simply marvellous and only 2 Euros more that's no big deal. But probably the stand out at the Bourgogne rouge level for me was the Dames Huguettes from Mongeard-Mugneret.
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