I didn't realise that Andrew; that said, there were some truly dodgy names...Andrew Hall said:
My favorite Bourgogne though is Barthod's "Les Bons Batons." I heard that AOC Bourgogne was not going to be allowed to have lieux-dits anymore though.A.
OK: What about bourgognes?
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Anonymous
UnregisteredAgree, 2003 has some stupendous Bourgognes for example the ´03 Anne Gros. A few other I've enjoyed last week: ´06 Claude Dugat, ´06 Lucien le Moine, all outstanding. The last one I tasted and was impressed by was the ´07 Dugat Py ´cuvée Halinard´ good tannic structure, rich, complex and very long. So far now the best regional Bourgogne, very impressive. I think the Bourgognes I mentioned are often a better wine then village wines from less diligent producers?
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How is your pricing then Maureen? - in Switzerland Mortet's bourgogne is in villages price territory, in fact I can buy lovely Savigny 1ers from Chenu for roughly the same price...!maureen nelson said:
I've always liked mortet's bourgogne and have bought it in several vintages.
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emmental
MemberTasted the other night the BR "Pinot-Noir" 2007 from Chanson Père et Fils: a clean, fruity, well-made but nevertheless lean wine with rather rough tannins and slight bitterness in the aftertaste - in short: everything but Pinot-charm! By the way: The whites by Chanson seem to me in general more convincing than the reds - anyone made other observations?
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emmental said:
Tasted the other night the BR "Pinot-Noir" 2007 from Chanson Père et Fils: a clean, fruity, well-made but nevertheless lean wine with rather rough tannins and slight bitterness in the aftertaste - in short: everything but Pinot-charm! By the way: The whites by Chanson seem to me in general more convincing than the reds - anyone made other observations?I liked Chanson's 2003 Bourgogne - I even bought a six-pack back in 2005 - maybe one is still in the cellar somewhere, but stand it next to the Giroud 2003 and you could really see a lot was missing - in context you 'lean' is a good word.
I'm visiting chanson on Friday - for the first time - hoping to get a feel for the place, they have great management since Bollinger came in (de Courcel / Confuron) though that clearly didn't help your bourgogne emmental...
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maureen nelson
Memberbilln said:
How is your pricing then Maureen? - in Switzerland Mortet's bourgogne is in villages price territory, in fact I can buy lovely Savigny 1ers from Chenu for roughly the same price...!well, it used to be quite affordable - I went through a case of the 1990 at $14/per. By the 1996 vintage it was up to $20 (well, $22 with sales tax) and I paid $30 for the 2005, plus $3/per bottle shipping. So, yeah, it's on the expensive side but imho better than most bourgognes.
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Burgundy Al
MemberI am back from a week in Burgundy and look forward to this new BB. I have mostly given up on that other place because of the incivility...plus the fact that the vast majority of comments were a waste of the 20 seconds taken to read them.
Highlights of upcoming Bourgogne include the Claude Dugat 2008 and 2009, Anne Gros 2009. A few recent highlight from bottles already purchased have included Domaine Leflaive 2007, Perrot-Minot 2005 and Dugat 2004.
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David Bywater
MemberWe buy Hudelot-Noellat and Barthod every year the 2007s are very different even at this stage Barthod is a very rich, silky wine with surprising depth. The Hudelot is a real brute, massive colour and excellent acidity which should see it develop into excellent drinking
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David Bywater
MemberDavid Bywater said:
We buy Hudelot-Noellat and Barthod every year the 2007s are very different even at this stage Barthod is a very rich, silky wine with surprising depth. The Hudelot is a real brute, massive colour and excellent acidity which should see it develop into excellent drinking both would have been good value is the merchant hadn't charged us £20 a case for RH&DPosted 3 years ago # -
Peter Chiu
MemberNeed to taste ( and learn ) more about bougognes.
My recently experience with Bourgogne 08 - Bouchard ...has not been good. There is one sentence to describe it : favoured water.
I own and drunk many Cote des Beaune - Village 05 and 06 by Bouchard and there are very different.
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maxim
MemberI am surprised no one mentioned Leroy Bourgognes, neither blancs nor rouges ... I had some amazing bottles in both colours: powerful, pure, and elegant, even if not terribly complex. Easily at village level or higher. Probably the best value of Leroy that I am aware of.
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Paul Anderson
MemberNot quite the status of some of the producers mentioned above but at the tail end of last year I managed to buy a dozen of Sainsburys Red Burgundy 2007 being sold off at £2 a bottle. It was produced by Antonin Rodet, so the grapes may have come from the Chalonnais, but it turned out to be a pretty decent BR for drinking now. Probably the best vfm I've had from one of Burgundy's lower appellations.
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Not Bourgogne 'pure', but I've just opened an L&A Lignier 07 Passetoutgrains, and the nose is positively pinot, the fruit is ripe and after along day, the last 3 hours of which have on trains, boy is it enjoyable!
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Andrew Hall
Memberbill nanson said:
Hi Andrew,
A contact is on some of the committees that decide some of these things - and he's not aware of it either. Unless I described it badly to him, it seems it's merely heresay.Cheers, Bill
Thanks. Wish I could remember where I heard this and/or how much I was confused.
A.
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wildbillnv
MemberBill and Andrew
Concerning AOC Bourgogne and label regulation, does the restriction include wines labeled Cote de Nuits and Cote de Beaune? This could anger a number of producers, including Meo-Camuzet who have, on the average, a 15-year-old vineyard in the Haut Cote de Nuits.
Although I didn't stock much 2005 Bourgogne rouge, distance from merchants a controlling factor, I did purchase two Cote de Nuits, and one Haut Cote de Nuits. I've enjoyed all three. Wish I had purchased more of the D. Rion and F. Esmonin. The third was an under the radar producer; Desertaux-Ferrand.
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Well Méo's Clos St.Philibert looks down on Vosne - it's only 100 metres from the Vosne 1ers but it is classed as Bourgogne Hautes Côtes de Nuits...wildbillnv said:
Bill and AndrewConcerning AOC Bourgogne and label regulation, does the restriction include wines labeled Cote de Nuits and Cote de Beaune? This could anger a number of producers, including Meo-Camuzet who have, on the average, a 15-year-old vineyard in the Haut Cote de Nuits.
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maureen nelson
MemberRick Dalia said:
Maureen,
Clearly I was "ripped off" on the '05 Mortet. As I recall, I paid about $45 each at my local shop. What was I thinking...
(probably the same thing when I spent $99 on the Vogue villages)I don't know where you are but that $30 price tag was from Premier Cru and all of the wine was snapped up immediately by people like me who knew it would be more elsewhere. So not sure your local shop ripped you off - besides you must have thought it worth the $45 or you wouldn't have bought it, right?
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Rick Dalia
MemberMaureen, lucky on your price. I was speaking a bit tongue-n-cheek about the local shop (Marin County - Mill Valley). It's a great shop and always with a great selection of wine (though a bit too weighted toward calif cult cabs). They don't have sales, but I can rest-assured that what I buy there will be good.
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