I have failed to keep pace with the cost of red burgundy and am now, by dint of my frugal Scottish soul, more and more frequently sampling the basement of the burgundy tiers.
The last one I tasted and was really impressed by was the 2006 Prieur Bourgogne. It really had it all: super blossom nose and a spectrum of flavor from sweet red fruits melding to tart, tannic structure and finishing with a fading violet grape shade that lasted. Really impressive.
OK: What about bourgognes?
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bmcq
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Four from two that I have been bowled over by in the last couple of months are the Bourgogne and BGOs both of Domaine David Clark and Domaine Joseph Roty. It's easy to find worse village wines. I guess the Rotys will be a bit more expensive...
As for blancs I'm already half-way through a case from Alex Gambal (2006) which I only picked up at the end of January. I might have to order one of 08 now (suppose I should check my notes first...)
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bmcq
MemberI had also tried fairly recently an 06 Arlaud Bourgogne Rouge. In the same price range as the Prieur (less than $20), it was much more of a new world fruit driven style. I remember thinking that it was pleasantly jammy if one is looking for that sort, but my taste tends towards something with at least a hint of dimension and maybe even a bit of stuffy austerity. Will my posting mileage upgrade me?
And damn this TSA, confusing terrorism with terroirism. Such clodisshness is barring the import of more reasonably priced quaffage such as M. Clarks from being more widely available.
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MarkR
MemberI had a lovely 2003 Sylvain Cathiard Bourgogne about 6 months ago. However due to limited experience of bourgognes in 03, and no experience of Cathiard's wines, I don't know how typical it is. I certainly enjoyed it, but haven't come across any more of his wines at this level to try more.
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bmcq
MemberIn my enthusiam to jump on a deal, I blindly bought a case of Geantet-Pansiot 2003 Gevry-Chambertin.
I had the opportunity to drink a number of stunning G-Ps over the years, from Chambolle villages to Charmes Chambertins and really enjoyed these wines in some good ('96, '99) and even not so great ('97)years.
But this batch of G-P was ghastly: burnt, rusted skanky swill of the lowest o(r)der. Yuck. It really put me off of buying much in the way of 2003s. But then I've had some really lovely 2003 Fourriers and even Hudelot-Noellats, so they seem to have managed that hot year. Not so for auld Geantet-Pansiot.
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MarkR - 2003 has some stupendous bourgognes, I think I still have the best part of half a dozen from Camille Giroud - well reminded, thanks - I may have to dig one out!
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1998 Meo Camuzet Bourgogne Rouge for me last night. Holding up nicely in a secondry/tertiary wy. Really delcious wine.
Looking at a 2007 Mugneret Gibourg Bourgogne Rouge for this evening.
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bmcq
MemberDo others find that they are resorting to the same tactics: buying less of the 1er and GC and more villages and bourgognes?
There's an analogy in skiing: the advent of snowboards and fatskis has brought an unbelievable number of people into little skied areas I once enjoyed. As a result, I'm finding that I have to redirect my goals during a day on the slopes away from seeking out the virgin powder in lieu of skiing more chopped up snow. The pleasure is there; it just takes a bit more sleuthing to find the good stuff.
I'm hoping, likely in vain, that both expensive red burgundy and powder skiing are but passing fads.
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Tom Blach
MemberI have bored people in other places with my thoughts on Bourgognes Rouges-that they are better for early drinking when from weaker vintages, and that they generally need age in the same way as village and 1ers do. I like the wines as a class but in general they are inescapably austere and only for the real burgundy fan. They tend to be too expensive in relation to village wines, which in turn are too expensive in relation to 1ers. My heart is more and more in the village wine department, though.
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MarkR
MemberHi Rick,
How was the 07 Gros other than enjoyable? Have you tried other vintages of her Bourgognes?
bmcq, Tom, with the increase in quality of winemaking and viticulture, are the lesser wines (BR and village) reaching up to the level of 1er wines, or does terroir win out? I know producer is king, but that comes at a price.
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bmcq
MemberMarkR: Yes, I meant to infer that I think the quality of the Bourgs and villages is, in general, improving.
I would also agree with Tom's Observation that the timeliness of consuming them is amplified: weaker years in BR and V don't hold up as well and good years for these still need sleep time.
But, as I noted, the Arlaud Roncevie was very fruity, much like some Cali pinots. But again, I'd agree w/Tom that their austerity in general is likely not appreciated by those who are not looking for the classic red burg experience.
Anyway, I'm enjoying the BRs and villages more these days. I suspect my pocketbook may run into Tom's heart there.
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nedhoey
MemberIn support of the new forum community.... I opened for dinner tonight a Henri Darnat Bourgogne blanc 07. Really very nice.
Made either in very neutral wood or stainless steel, this is bright, vivid, with crisp citrusy and green appley flavors. A very nice
quaff of french chardonnay on a weeknight. I had it with some cod, potatoes and vegies. Clean and weightless in a way that
compelled continuous sipping with no danger of oak fatigue.Posted 3 years ago # -
MarkR
MemberI guess one of the confusing things for me here is the source of the grapes. As I understood it BR and village wine came from lots of different places, hence why it was generic and therefore would not reach the level of a 1er cru wine.
However I bought a case of Barthod BR 96, which I then find out is from a single vineyard 'Bon Batons'. To my mind, this therefore could have potential to be very good, as it is a producer who is going to get the best out of these grapes. I also found out that some village wine is also from 1er cru plots, but young vines. So right place, wrong age.
I'm not sure I've expressed this particularly well, but hopefully you get my point...
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Antoine
MemberJust had a Bourgogne Grivot 2004 for lunch with wild rabbit (made with thyme, white wine etc...with asparagus and potatoes)
No greenies that I could detect and the wine has started to mature more than I expected (including colour and palate) with good purity and a great fit with game. Really enjoyed it. I like his wines which combine lightness and intensity (lean and acidic would say Leve)
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Rick Dalia
MemberHi Mark,
I've found that many (maybe even most?) BR's are sourced from single vineyards, and in fact some actually indicate the climat on the label. As an example, the Darviot-Perrin comes from a single climat in Meursault, if I recall, that was previosly a village-designated site. I think it was "Magny." Arlaud's comes from a single site in Gevrey "Roncevie" just as too good examples. I have no idea where Anne Gros' comes from.Posted 3 years ago # -
bayanne
MemberTried the 07 from Anne Gros this evening, and whilst there was some tannin, it was fairly closed so I will leave it for another 6 months before I try another bottle.
I believe that Anne's Bourgogne vineyards are on the other side of the main road from Vosne-Romanee.Posted 3 years ago # -
Andrew Hall
MemberHow about Hautes CdN/CdB? Same diff in a lot of ways. I have very much enjoyed Anne Gros' version. And the Naudin-Ferrand "Orchis Mascula" 07 was a wine that really stood out.
My favorite Bourgogne though is Barthod's "Les Bons Batons." I heard that AOC Bourgogne was not going to be allowed to have lieux-dits anymore though.
A.
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