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1. 

   emile
   Member

   Do Groffier's wines typicaly have brett?

   Posted 2 years ago #
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   bill nanson
   admin

   Whilst I'd be the first to admit I'm reasonably brett tolerant, I have mainly invested elsewhere because of one or two ludicrously oaked bottles I experienced.

   Anyone else?

   Posted 2 years ago #
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   Rick Dalia
   Member

   My experience is 1 bottle, 1999 CM - Sentiers, opened last fall. I didn't find any brett or overt oak. It was quite nice. I've got a case of 2001 Hauts Doix. I'll crack one perhaps this week and report back.

   Posted 2 years ago #
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   Joachim
   Member

   I had a 1998 Suchots last year which was not overoaked, but pretty tight and with much volume. I was was thinking if there was a concentrator involved?!

   Posted 2 years ago #
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   pifcho
   Member

   Popped the 2000 Groffier CM Haut Doix tonight and it was nothing short of spectacular. What a wine. Very gentle wood in the background, but a lot of an addictive smoky mineral note that kept me coming back for more... Since this is my first Haut Doix - is that something that one typically finds in this vineyard?

   Posted 2 years ago #
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   Rick Dalia
   Member

   Emile,
   '01 Hauts-Doix opened this eve. No Brett and perfectly balanced. Not much wood to speak of. Still a bit of tannin on the palate, picks up weight after an hour or so. Both the nose and palate are equally satisfying. Lovely!. If I could borrow a descriptor from a well-known critic, I'd say this is "very fine."

   Posted 2 years ago #
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   bill nanson
   admin

   'Sounds like I should revisit this producer ;o)

   Posted 2 years ago #
8. 

   Joachim
   Member

   My problem with Groffier is not that the wines are overoaked, but overpriced (at least in my opinion) These are good, solid, concentrated wines, but my retailer, which has very good prices normally, asks for 89,- Euro for the 1er Cru Sentiers and 79,- for the Haut Doix, (You can get a Chevillion 1er Cru for less then half the money here) not speaking about the Amoureuses, which is around 160,-. Too much for my opinion.

   Posted 2 years ago #
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   Joachim
   Member

   PS: And I don't want to think aobut the 2009 prices...

   Posted 2 years ago #
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    Rick Dalia
    Member

    I hear you Joachim. Chevillon's wines are some of the fairest priced out there. What I'm having trouble with, however, is finding quality 1er Chambolle (or Gevrey, Vosne, Volnay) from any producer at prices much less than $100. And I'm talking 2008's. Sure there are some, but slim picking. And Amoureuses? If you want it, it's gonna be at a price, regardless of producer. I think Groffier's is actually on the less expensive range, at least from merchants in my area (I'm thinking of Bertheau, Vogue, Jadot, Drouhin, Mugnier, etc) all well in the upper $180-$400 range. I won't be going there...

    Posted 2 years ago #
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    bill nanson
    admin

    Joachim said:not speaking about the Amoureuses, which is around 160,-. Too much for my opinion.

    I hear you Joachim!
    Maybe you should try the Amoureuses from Serveau - about half the price of Groffier's or either Patrce Rion of Albert Bichot's négoce versions - still much cheaper I think!

    Posted 2 years ago #
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    Joachim
    Member

    Rick Dalia said:
    I hear you Joachim. Chevillon's wines are some of the fairest priced out there. What I'm having trouble with, however, is finding quality 1er Chambolle (or Gevrey, Vosne, Volnay) from any producer at prices much less than $100. And I'm talking 2008's. Sure there are some, but slim picking. And Amoureuses? If you want it, it's gonna be at a price, regardless of producer. I think Groffier's is actually on the less expensive range, at least from merchants in my area (I'm thinking of Bertheau, Vogue, Jadot, Drouhin, Mugnier, etc) all well in the upper $180-$400 range. I won't be going there...

    I know, its really difficult to get good 1er Chambolles for a reasonable price. Did you ever tried Amiot-Servelle? They have some interesting 1ers (Charmes, for example) and even an Amoureuses for under 100,- Euro. These are good, classic Burgundies, which require some time in the cellar, but your patience will be rewarded. Just don't know if you can get this Domaine in the states.

    @Bill: True, Serveau is really good. But I'm still thinking about your comment, that you prefer Charmes and Fuees against Amoureuses - might be true, and right now I'm tryin to get some of the 2009ers.

    Posted 2 years ago #
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    Michael Warner
    Member

    So how are Serveau's wines nowadays ? They seemed to be experimenting a bit in the middle of the last decade and changing style. Earlier wines seems quite light - not necessarily a bad thing. I remember drinking through a lovely case of 1999 Bourgogne. But 2004 and 2005 seemed somehow big and jammy from what I remember.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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