Comments on: 2005 des croix bourgogne pinot noir http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/ the people, the place and their wines... Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:28:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: bill nanson http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-22982 bill nanson Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:46:13 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-22982 Hi David - no sorry. But given that even the Bourgogne had a little 1er in it (from memory) I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the case. The price sounds a steal - I'd by anything that he produced from 05 that I sofar tasted. Cheers Hi David – no sorry. But given that even the Bourgogne had a little 1er in it (from memory) I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that was the case. The price sounds a steal – I’d by anything that he produced from 05 that I sofar tasted.
Cheers

]]> By: David Henry http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-22981 David Henry Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:12:45 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-22981 Bill, have you or any of your readers tried the '05 Domaine des Croix Beaune AOC? It is my understanding that it includes a fair amount of declassified Beaune 1er Cru from a small parcel des Croix owns in Les Teurons. Is this correct? Based on the great buzz for the Bourgogne, I suspect that the Beaune AOC would be a good buy at $34/bottle ($US). Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. Bill, have you or any of your readers tried the ’05 Domaine des Croix Beaune AOC? It is my understanding that it includes a fair amount of declassified Beaune 1er Cru from a small parcel des Croix owns in Les Teurons. Is this correct? Based on the great buzz for the Bourgogne, I suspect that the Beaune AOC would be a good buy at $34/bottle ($US). Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

]]> By: Dave Hake http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-22885 Dave Hake Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:10:38 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-22885 I just opened this bottle of Bourgogne to enjoy with a pork tenderloin from the grill. My wife just brought this wine back from a trip to Paris. I assumed this would just be an average bottle of wine. What a surprise!! What a lovely bottle of wine. Nice raspberry/blackberry nose. Great balance of oak/vanilla in the nose and taste. As noted above, it reminded me of the premier crus I have tasted in the past. I just opened this bottle of Bourgogne to enjoy with a pork tenderloin from the grill. My wife just brought this wine back from a trip to Paris. I assumed this would just be an average bottle of wine. What a surprise!! What a lovely bottle of wine. Nice raspberry/blackberry nose. Great balance of oak/vanilla in the nose and taste. As noted above, it reminded me of the premier crus I have tasted in the past.

]]> By: Champagne Charlie http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20566 Champagne Charlie Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:19:27 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20566 I echo the above sentiments-a cracking Bourgogne-I actually rarely buy straight Bourgogne-too many average disappointments-but this reminds me of Michel Lafarge’s superb Bourgogne 83-85 and 90…....yup its been that long!!! I echo the above sentiments-a cracking Bourgogne-I actually rarely buy straight Bourgogne-too many average disappointments-but this reminds me of Michel Lafarge’s superb Bourgogne 83-85 and 90…….yup its been that long!!!

]]> By: Brooklynguy http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20524 Brooklynguy Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:15:40 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20524 Just a note to thank you for this recommendation. I grabbed a few bottles and tried one last night. Fantastic wine for a Bourgogne, as good as any I've tasted. I paid $25 and that's pretty standard in NYC for Bourgogne from quality producers. Thanks again for the tip. Just a note to thank you for this recommendation. I grabbed a few bottles and tried one last night. Fantastic wine for a Bourgogne, as good as any I’ve tasted. I paid $25 and that’s pretty standard in NYC for Bourgogne from quality producers. Thanks again for the tip.

]]> By: bill nanson http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20512 bill nanson Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:34:15 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20512 Well Ed, I can hardly count Beaujolais as a specialism... I've read of many 30+ year-olds delivering the goods, so why shouldn't this be any different? 2005 was as good in BJ as in the Côtes. Seriously though, I'm surprised by how much this has 'improved' in one year yet I'm sure 10+ years is in this bottle without doubt... Well Ed, I can hardly count Beaujolais as a specialism…

I’ve read of many 30+ year-olds delivering the goods, so why shouldn’t this be any different? 2005 was as good in BJ as in the Côtes. Seriously though, I’m surprised by how much this has ‘improved’ in one year yet I’m sure 10+ years is in this bottle without doubt…

]]> By: ed http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20495 ed Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:38:04 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20495 And re. your previous post: what do you imagine is the life span of the bigger (i.e. Morgon and Moulin-a-Vent) beaujolais cru of 05? And re. your previous post: what do you imagine is the life span of the bigger (i.e. Morgon and Moulin-a-Vent) beaujolais cru of 05?

]]> By: bill nanson http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20488 bill nanson Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:09:20 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20488 In general Ed, I've seen a lot of tight 05's versus where they were in barrel or early post-bottling - so earlier than you might expect from a new vintage. This particular wine has the density one might expect of a 1er cru from any other recent vintage so I would also expect to tighten - though no sign yet - and live for 15+ years. What this wine also has is plenty of oak - not the astringent texture you get on the finish of a young wine, more the creamy, approaching vanilla, flavours and aromas. These typically take about 1-2 years in bottle to be absorbed. So whilst I might open another bottle or two this year, for my taste they will be far better from 2010... A more general discussion could revolve on why people think a bourgogne should be ready before a grand cru - it's still pinot, one is just less concentrated than the other and made from inferior raw materials. Probably the youthful fruit of a young bourgogne is a nicer drink than 90% of more mature 6 year-old bottles? Cheers In general Ed, I’ve seen a lot of tight 05′s versus where they were in barrel or early post-bottling – so earlier than you might expect from a new vintage. This particular wine has the density one might expect of a 1er cru from any other recent vintage so I would also expect to tighten – though no sign yet – and live for 15+ years. What this wine also has is plenty of oak – not the astringent texture you get on the finish of a young wine, more the creamy, approaching vanilla, flavours and aromas. These typically take about 1-2 years in bottle to be absorbed. So whilst I might open another bottle or two this year, for my taste they will be far better from 2010…

A more general discussion could revolve on why people think a bourgogne should be ready before a grand cru – it’s still pinot, one is just less concentrated than the other and made from inferior raw materials. Probably the youthful fruit of a young bourgogne is a nicer drink than 90% of more mature 6 year-old bottles?
Cheers

]]> By: ed http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20487 ed Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:01:24 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20487 Bill, You say you couldn't resist trying this wine but surely 05 bourgognes and (from the earlier post) beaujolais cru (even Morgon) are in their drinking windows now. How long do you think they have? And do you have any experience of these wines "shutting down" for a period like their more august grand and prem. cru brethren? Ed Bill,

You say you couldn’t resist trying this wine but surely 05 bourgognes and (from the earlier post) beaujolais cru (even Morgon) are in their drinking windows now. How long do you think they have? And do you have any experience of these wines “shutting down” for a period like their more august grand and prem. cru brethren?

Ed

]]> By: Will C http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20478 Will C Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:57:29 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20478 Bill, Unfortunatly by the time alot of wines make there way to Ireland they have passed through many hands, each taking a small profit. The end result is a hefty mark up but by the sounds of your note this one is worth paying for. Cheers, Will Bill,
Unfortunatly by the time alot of wines make there way to Ireland they have passed through many hands, each taking a small profit. The end result is a hefty mark up but by the sounds of your note this one is worth paying for.
Cheers,
Will

]]> By: Champagne Charlie http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20476 Champagne Charlie Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:37:28 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20476 Hello Bill-what an enjoyable site you have and thanks for the 2005 des Croix, Bourgogne Pinot Noir tip. I tasted his 2006`s which were exciting -I note that BBR-Berry Brothers and Rudd have the 2005 des Croix, Bourgogne for £13.95 per bottle(for unsplit orders of 12)delivered. Hello Bill-what an enjoyable site you have and thanks for the
2005 des Croix, Bourgogne Pinot Noir tip. I tasted his 2006`s which were exciting -I note that BBR-Berry Brothers and Rudd have the 2005 des Croix, Bourgogne for £13.95 per bottle(for unsplit orders of 12)delivered.

]]> By: bill nanson http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20474 bill nanson Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:09:48 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20474 Someone's making a very good profit there Will, there is sufficient value in the wine - no doubt - but at that price I'd probably only buy 6! Cheers Someone’s making a very good profit there Will, there is sufficient value in the wine – no doubt – but at that price I’d probably only buy 6!
Cheers

]]> By: Will C http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20473 Will C Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:18:55 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20473 Bill, A very very enticing note! I can find that wine locally for €22. Do you think it is a buy at this price? Bill,

A very very enticing note! I can find that wine locally for €22. Do you think it is a buy at this price?

]]> By: bill nanson http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20466 bill nanson Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:05:11 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20466 Here you go Kent http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465 Here you go Kent
http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?page_id=465

]]> By: Kent Comley http://www.burgundy-report.com/diary/2008/02/2005-des-croix-bourgogne-pinot-noir/comment-page-1/#comment-20465 Kent Comley Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:06:28 +0000 http://www.burgundy-report.com/wp/?p=1002#comment-20465 That's a new producer to me. Any background info Bill?? That’s a new producer to me. Any background info Bill??

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